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Latest update removing dev mode

Originally by JaBuzzard: (Post 1 page 49)

 

SeeMoreDigital wrote:
What???

A NOW TV branded box retails at just £15. 00. The Roku boxes cost signi��cantly more! Somebodies
taking a hit for the differences!

Yes Roku are not making a pro��t. There is a large difference between zero pro��t and a subsidy. The bill
of materials for a NowTV box is most likely well under £15, and my bet is most of the NowTV boxes sold
are not the £15 ones either , because wait a bit and you can get one with a pass for the same amount of
money or even less, to the point where people who never sideloaded anything have draw fulls of the
boxes, because even an offer of £20 for a box with a 3 month entertainment pass (and there have been
lots of better offers) is cheaper than buying three months of passes which would cost you £21 and you
get a spare remote too.

 

Originally by Wufflebonk: (Post 2 Page 49)

 

jabuzzard wrote:
SeeMoreDigital wrote:
What???

A NOW TV branded box retails at just £15. 00. The Roku boxes cost signi��cantly more!
Somebodies taking a hit for the differences!

Yes Roku are not making a pro��t. There is a large difference between zero pro��t and a subsidy. The
bill of materials for a NowTV box is most likely well under £15, and my bet is most of the NowTV
boxes sold are not the £15 ones either , because wait a bit and you can get one with a pass for the
same amount of money or even less, to the point where people who never sideloaded anything
have draw fulls of the boxes, because even an offer of £20 for a box with a 3 month entertainment
pass (and there have been lots of better offers) is cheaper than buying three months of passes
which would cost you £21 and you get a spare remote too.

I'll let you carry on with this one 🙂

I'm busy doing other things....

Besides I see @SeeMoreDigital and co have gotten out the vinyl's again... damn they must be so
scratched and broken now the amount of times they've been played. I think Violins are probably all but
worn out too...

 

Originally by ukbobboy:

 

@SeeMoreDigital

Hi again SMD

Unfortunately, your answer shows that you have made an assumption based on another assumption,
i.e. if a Roku 3 retail cost £70. 00 and a NowTV black box is £15. 00 then someone is loosing out
somewhere.

However , my experience is somewhat different, remember when video VHS recorder , way back when,
cost on average £400. 00 retail. Did you know that they only cost £71. 00 to manufacture, package and
ship from Japan to the UK, the additional costs were mainly just "mark-up", i.e. what the market will
bear .

Since retail economics has not changed since then, just the products sold, I would suggest you rethink
your "highly subsidised" mantra, unless you can prove otherwise.


UK Bob

 

Originally by 4268:

 

@ukbobboy have you considered that there is such a thing as a loss leader .

 

Originally by Eddie-M (NowTV Team):

 

Hi @Anonymous User


Thanks for raising your concerns to us here on the Community, In relation to what a Now TV agent has
said about Plex being illegal your correct it is not however the content available to use with in Plex and
other Apps like it can be seen as illegal and therefore puts Now TV in a difficult position with Studios
and Record companies and therefore the decision was made to remove the Dev Mode which enabled
the ability to install Plex via Sideloading due to Plex not being available in the Now TV app store. Also if
apps are being used via the Now T v box that are not available in the App store provided and are
installed by other means i.e Sideloading then Now TV have the right to remove that functionallity if we
wish to do so. If your complaint relates to official apps in the app store available via the Now TV box
then please do raise those concerns with us and we will do what we can can to rectify them. However if
it only relates to an app not offically available on the Now TV box then we cannot do anything further
and there would be no legal basis for us to put that function back as it is against our terms of use. I
hope this clears it up for you and if you have any further questions please do ask away and we will do
our best to answer or at least get the answer for you.


Thanks
Eddie

 

Originally by DessieB:

 

Hi Eddie,

I wonder if you could take a moment to explain how customers using Plex on a NOW TV box puts Now
TV in a difficult position with Studios and Record companies, but Apple TV, Amazon Fire TV and Roku
all provide Plex for their Streaming boxes and Google provide Plex for android TV boxes without this
putting them in a difficult position with Studios and Record companies?

Thanks
DessieB

 

Originally by Eddie-M (Official NowTV Team)

 

Hi @Anonymous User

This would come down to legal notices Now TV have received and therefore have had to remove the
fuction due to some Customers using Plex to watch Pirated Content. So the Dev Mode has been
disabled to prevent Pirated content in the future which in turn has disabled Plex which again can be
used to access Content which can be seen as illegal. This is the steps we found nessecerry to take to
prevent this from happening. If others have not done this then we cannot speak for them we feel this
was the best step to take.


Cheers

 

Originally by DessieB

 

Hi Eddie,

So are you suggesting that Apple, Amazon, Roku and Google have not received similar legal notices, or
that they have received similar notices but have chosen to ignore them?

DessieB

 

Originally by Eddie-M (Official NowTV Team):

 

No at all @Anonymous User


I'm not suggesting anything of the sort. I am telling you what Now TV have received and what we have
done to rectify it if other companies have recieved the same notices then i'm sure they are taking the
Steps nessecerry to rectify that however we at Now TV are not privy to that information and therefore
cannot discuss what other companies intend to do if anything or if they have recieved the same
notices we can only discuss what Now TV have recieved and what we have done to ��x it. At the end of
the day Plex is not an offical app in the App store via the Now TV box therefore Now TV have no
legal obligation to provide that app and therefore can remove any means of accessing it.


Cheers

 

Originally by MattPenfold:

 

Eddie-M wrote:
Hi @Anonymous User


Thanks for raising your concerns to us here on the Community, In relation to what a Now TV agent
has said about Plex being illegal your correct it is not however the content available to use with in
Plex and other Apps like it can be seen as illegal and therefore puts Now TV in a difficult position
with Studios and Record companies and therefore the decision was made to remove the Dev Mode
which enabled the ability to install Plex via Sideloading due to Plex not being available in the Now
TV app store. Also if apps are being used via the Now T v box that are not available in the App store
provided and are installed by other means i.e Sideloading then Now TV have the right to remove
that functionallity if we wish to do so. If your complaint relates to official apps in the app store
available via the Now TV box then please do raise those concerns with us and we will do what we
can can to rectify them. However if it only relates to an app not offically available on the Now TV box
then we cannot do anything further and there would be no legal basis for us to put that function
back as it is against our terms of use. I hope this clears it up for you and if you have any further
questions please do ask away and we will do our best to answer or at least get the answer for you.


Thanks
Eddie
So why was I told Plex is illegal Eddie? You admit is untrue, yet that did not stop your colleagues from
say Plex is illegal software. What do you intend to do about their lack of honesty?

You claim you have the right to remove side-loaded apps, but you failed to offer any evidence you have
that right. Since you offered no evidence I can dismiss your claim you have that rigjt as baseless. You
have a choice. You can either offer that evidence, or accept you lied to me.

 

Originally by MattPenfold: (Post 1 on page 50)

 

Eddie,
You have admitted that Not TV altered my box. The law, in the form of the Computer Misuse Act 1990 is
clear in this regard. Unless you can show Now TV were authorized to access my box and make
alterations NOW TV have committed a criminal offence under Section 35 of that act. It is possible that
Now TV could be considered to have committed an offence under Section 37 , if there was intend to
impair use of the computer . A Section 35 offence carries a maximum sentence of 2 years
imprisonment, and a Section 37 offence carries a maximum of 10 years. Both offences can also carry
an unlimited Ƭne.
So you can only claim that Now TV have not comitted an offence under either Section 35 or 37 if you
can show you had authorisation to access my Now TV box. If you cannot do so, you will be admitting
that NOW TV commited a criminal offence.

 

Originally by WuffleBonk: (Post 2 on page 50)

 

@Anonymous User from NowTV, I think there's an age old addidge here that relates to Digging holes and knowing
when to stop 😄

From what I can see, your just not doing ANYTHING to help here, except making up what looks like
semi plausible explanations and hoping that we'll all buy into it.

I have to tip my hat and give you points for trying though. As myself and my co-conspiritors have
recently discovered, we can actually use the official, authourized apps that ARE in the NowTV store,
and pre installed on the box, INCLUDING YOUR VERY OWN NOWTV APP , to play ANY CONTENT we
want, including pirated content should we so wish, I wonder what the recording industry and
music/movie producers that sent NowTV those cease and desist plex letters would do if they found out
about that fact???

I think you'd be forced to remove your own apps, and every official app from the box, IF what your
trying to spin to us all, is actually true....

 

 

 

 

 

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Anonymous User
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by SeeMoreDigital

 

All of you (both of you). Read NOW TV's terms and conditions. ie: the ones you accepted before
activating your NOW TV branded box!

 

Anonymous User
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my MattPenfold

 

SeeMoreDigital wrote:
Good luck with that lot @Anonymous User.

Off to one of those 'no win no fee' legal Ƭrms you go then. Just rememember to make sure you tell
them that you 'tampered' with your device
So no explanaton as to what authority they had?
You said earlier you knew. It seems that was not true. Please do not lie to me.

 

Anonymous User
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by MattPenfold

 

SeeMoreDigital wrote:
All of you (both of you). Read NOW TV's terms and conditions. ie: the ones you accepted before
activating your NOW TV branded box!
So is that the official explanation?
Only I have just read through the agreement and could not Ƭnd anything that would allow Now TV to
force updates on customers. Maybe you could be a bit more speciƬc.
Oh, and the agreement is contained within the T &Cs availbile on this website. So have checked them
more than once. I doubt you have read them at all.

 

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by WuffleBonk

 

SeeMoreDigital wrote:
3/30/2017 Re: Now TV and the law ­ Page 2 ­ NOW TV Community
https://community .nowtv .com/t5/Forum­Info­Of f­T opic­Chat/Latest­update­removing­dev­mode/m­p/42301 1/highlight/false#M6839 4/5
All of you (both of you). Read NOW TV's terms and conditions. ie: the ones you accepted before
activating your NOW TV branded box!
What you mena the ones that state where not allowed to alter , reverse engineer or attempt to in
anyway change the software that NowTV burn into the Ƭrmware, but allows us to do what ever the hell
we like with the hardware that we now own once we've bought it.

and since we own the hardware, that very clause in NowTV's own T s&Cs basicialy makes it illegal for
them to alter the hardware without the owners express permission to do so.

They ARE permitted to change the software, as they retain ownership of that software, and as long as
that software runns on the box, the T s&Cs expressly give them permission to change that software, but
ONL Y if that change does not cause previous function of the hardware that the owner relied on to be
changed.

 

Anonymous User
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by SeeMoreDigital

 

@Anonymous User,

The original explanation submitted by Karl-F (of NOW TV) that was of page one of the original
'developers mode removed' topic (and frequently re-quoted) has, as you know, been removed from
general viewing!

Given that it was the only topic you frequented on this forum (before starting your own today), I'm
surprised you missed it

Anonymous User
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by MattPenfold

 

SeeMoreDigital wrote:
@Anonymous User,

The original explanation submitted by Karl-F (of NOW TV) that was of page one of the original
'developers mode removed' topic (and frequently re-quoted) has, as you know, been removed from
general viewing!

Given that it was the only topic you frequented on this forum (before starting your own today), I'm
surprised you missed it
That did not offer an explanation, so that cannot be what you were refering to. Karl-F said WHY it was
removed. He did not state what authority he had to do so.
So I ask again, what was the authority offered. Only this time I would ask you be honest. If you cannot
be honest, then say nothing.

 

Anonymous User
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by MattPenfold

 

4268 wrote:
It has been removed. This is a decision by Now. However if you take the time to read the terms when
you set up the box you will see it is against terms to do so. Now had been lenient in past.
Where in the term does it state that?

 

Anonymous User
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by SeeMoreDigital

 

@Anonymous User,

Please don't send me any further PM's calling me a liar . You're not helping yourself at all.

 

Anonymous User
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by MattPenfold

 

Then please stop lying to me.

What makes you think it is acceptable for you to have lied to me? And where is your apology? Do you
not have any manners?
But tell you what. Why not tell me what authority, as required under Computer Misuse Act, Now TV
were acting on. You claim to know, which is more than they seem to.

 

Anonymous User
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by SeeMoreDigital

 

Oh dear @Anonymous User...