Do you need a TV license for Nowtv?
I ask because the nowtv app has a live tv option.
So does this mean that subscribing to nowtv means I now have to get a tv license because the app has live tv?
Hi @Anonymous User,
Here's a screen-shot from TV Licensing web site: -
Cheers
@Anonymous User
This guide article linked below was taken from the nowtv help centre "When do i need aTV Licence to watch NowTV".
https://help.nowtv.com/article/do-i-need-a-tv-licence-to-watch-now-tv
Thanks everyone.
It annoys the hell out of me to have to pay a tv license when I never watch BBC or any other live tv for that matter. Wanted to make sure the tv license goons couldn't jump on the fact that I have NowTV and try to fine me.
If it's easy to get NowTV on your TV then they still will (for example, if it's built in). They won't care that you don't watch the live channels, they'll say you have the opportunity to watch them so you must pay. Once they are inside they'll try everything to get you to pay for a license and they will try and trip you up. If they see the option to watch live TV they'll choose it and if they can't work your TV they'll ask you to do it and if you refuse they'll threaten warrants, the police and courts along with rediculous costs as you are causing an obstruction.
The first guy who visited me said I needed a TV license because I had a TV ! They've since been again (with the police) but left unhappy because they couldn't get live TV to work.
Hi guys,
Interesting thread, but I still don't get if I have to pay for a TV licence or not.
I am using NOW TV just to watch Sky movies. I don't care about BBC stuff. I have even disinstalled the BBC Iplayer app from the NOW TV box.
I have read a lot of topics online, and all of them say the same thing: you don't have to pay if you are not watching live TV.
Fine, however, if it's true - as Wizzypop wrote - that you need to pay only because there's an "opportunity" to watch it (sounds like saying that we may all be arrested because we all have an opportunity to kill someone, potentially...), I am just wondering what to do then to continue watching sky movies without paying for something I don't use?
Cheers.
Hi @Anonymous User,
As mentioned before, here's a screen-shot from TV Licensing web site: -
Cheers
The short answer to this question is, sadly, yes. By yes i mean if you do not wish to enter into a hugely convoluted situation between statute, policy and law, you MUST HAVE a TV License if you have the ABILITY to watch live TV.
If you would like to enter into a convoluted situation, read on.
TVL agents will always treat you as a liar if you do not have a license. Many will deny this but there is overwhelming evidence to support this claim. Most recently i had a period of 8 months where i did not need a license. I phoned the agency and was assured my explanation was accepted and that would be the end of it. In 8 months i have received 15 letters of increasingly threatening content and a demand that i allow a ENFORCEMENT OFFICER to enter my property.
1. They are not ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS as they hold no office, they are COMPLIANCE AGENTS as such they have no statutory right to caution you despite them doing so and you must state that you DO NOT ACCEPT the caution. At this point, if the police are not already attending, phone them and possibly your Solicitor.
2. If they do have a police officer with them do EVERYTHING the Police request of you, whilst under caution, and you are encouraged to ask questions about your rights, your rights and obligations under the caution and, if the caution proceeds to arrest (very rare if you are conducting yourself appropriately) make sure the offence is clearly stated for the record and that your property will not be searched/entered by the TVL agency without a warrant for such. I have experience of this step as whilst i was in the police car under arrest (an arrest which was "forgiven" later by a Sergeant), one of the TVL agents actually inserted a viewing card from my mantle into the media box in order to render the box capabl;e of receiving Live TV! Make sure your property will be secured and vacated until such a time as a warrant is obtained for search under the offence stated on record.
3. If you've been smart at this stage things will be progressing smoothly and there's been none of the afforementioned unpleasantness. The COMPLIANCE AGENTS will ask to view your TV equipment and any equipment you plug into it on a regular basis. They will ask you to hand them remotes etc. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO DO ANY OF THIS. If there are already Police present, politely ask them if THEY (the police) are compelling you by law and by what law to do as you are being asked. They will, in most cases if you've asked respctfully and they're good coppers, tell you you are not compelled by law to do anything except allow the TVL agents to go about their business. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HELP THEM PLUG ANYTHING IN AND IF YOU DO YOU MAY WELL IMPLICATE YOURSELF. Another situation i have witnessed.
4. Finally, if you have completed this "visit" in accordance and you have been lucky enough to get a police officer who knows their remit, you will most likely be told by the COMPLIANCE AGENTS that you have obstructed them in their duties and they will be filing for obstruction. Simply restate that you do not understand or recognise their caution as it is not backed by law or the Police officers in attendence (if they're there), that you have complied with everything you are obligated to do under the 2003 Communications Act, and if there are no further matters you would ask them politely to leave. This last step is a bit of a sucker punch for people who have been found rightly not to require a license but have been harrassed and mistreated to the point of allowing these people into their homes. Its like saying, we might not have you for fee dodging but we're gonna get ya anyway. I have yet to hear of any case in which the TVL have successfully proven obstruction in cases where they have been allowed access but refused "help to switch on or plug in the tv".
Just to finish and outline how ridiculously oblique and opaque this organisation are, i recently had need to question their agency for overstepping their legal boundaries and was told emphatically that i had to follow policy regardless of whether or not it was written into statute law which is, of course, ridiculous. I was also lied to about a refund i never got of 18 pounds as, and i quote, "i never bothered to ask". Lastly, it was accidentally revealed to me by one such angry and heated agent that whilst you have proven that you do not lawfully require a license on your property your property will still accrue "arrears". Yes, thats right. They don't tell you you are in arrears so there are no arrears is their official line on the matter. When asked if these "not-arrears" that were live on their systems could potentially affect the credit rating of the property i was told that was something i'd have to take up with Experian, and believe me I AM!
Im also watching NowTV without a license. No BBC and no live shows. That, in my opinion meets the guidance for not having to pay for a TV license. Just wondering if that's was correct in your opinion. I don't agree with the whole 'opportunity' as that's too vague and everyone has the 'opportunity' to watch live TV
@Anonymous User
Yes that’s correct. No live TV of any sort, no use of the BBC iPlayer, and you are covered.
The word ‘opportunity’ does not appear in the TV licensing rules; it is what you actually do, not what you could do, that matters.
It used to be based on what equipment you had, but it no longer is.
One further tidbit - TV licence investigators have no right of entry, and you can refuse to let them in. Thus rendering what they can or can’t do once they are in academic.
You only need a tv license if you watch Live Tv broadcasts (Football,F1,Horse Racing) all when they are actually taking place. You do not need one for the Live channels that are on Now Tv as the shows they broadcast are not Live they are pre recorded.Also regarding Live Football,F1,Horse Racing if the channel that is broadcasting them has a +1 channel and you watch it on there you do not need a Tv license.The BBC should be made to fund themselves the way every other channel does by selling advertising space.
@Anonymous User
Thats quite a long way from my understanding of ‘live’ in this context, which is ‘as they are being shown’, whether they are live in your context, pre-recorded, or time-shifted on a +1 channel.
Can you point me to any official documentation that supports your interpretation?
https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/about/foi-legal-framework-AB16
You only need a tv licence if you watch Live broadcasts or iPlayer most Tv shows are pre recorded.
@Anonymous User wrote:
https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/about/foi-legal-framework-AB16
You only need a tv licence if you watch Live broadcasts or iPlayer most Tv shows are pre recorded.
Direct quotes from the link in the post above
"Where does TV Licensing law apply?
The law that requires a TV Licence for using or installing television receiving equipment to watch or record television programmes as they are being shown on TV, or to download or watch BBC programmes, including catch up TV, on BBC iPlayer applies in the UK (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland), the Channel Islands and Isle of Man."
As long as you're not watching the NowTV live channels are using iPlayer or using any of the live channel facilities in any other of the catch up apps, then you don't need a TV licence. However, the requirement for a licence is based on whether a program is currently being broadcast. Whether a program is pre-recorded or not does not have any bearing if you're watching a programme while it is being aired on TV channel or what you are recording a TV channel, then you need a licence to a fine to watch NowTV OnDemand (after broadcast) without a licence
@Anonymous User
Thank you for the link.
Have you considered this bit (my boldening in the body text):-
Are +1, +2 and +24 channels considered live TV broadcasts, thus requiring a TV Licence to view or do these channels count as on demand services?
A +1, +2 and +24 channel is a “live TV broadcast” in its own right. The term “live TV broadcast” refers to watching any television programme service as it is being shown on TV. A +1, +2 and +24 channel is a television programme service and anyone watching or recording a television programme as it is being shown on TV requires a TV Licence. This means that you need a TV Licence regardless of which television channels you receive and how you receive them (terrestrial, satellite, cable and via the internet).
which rather holes at least one of your above assertions below the waterline?
Hi all, @RoyB @commanda6 @Anonymous User @Anonymous User
Thanks for getting in touch.
We have an article on our Help site which aims to make this as clear as possible.
Generally, if you watch any live TV channels, or use BBC iPlayer, you need to have a TV licence.
On the NOW TV app: the live channels are within the Watch Live sections of the Cinema, Entertainment and Sports Passes, or the On Now section of Kids.
On NOW TV devices - such as the NOW TV Smart Stick - BBC iPlayer, or live channels from apps such as ITV Player and All4 also count.
Hope this helps.
Thanks,
Jason
+1 +2 +24 channels are not Live broadcasts if Football was on ITV at 3pm and ITV + 1 show the same broadcast it is not Live as you are 1 hour out of sync same rule applies for +2 & +24 channels.As the Tv licence is purely to fund BBC if you don’t watch anything BBC broadcasts you do not need a licence.
@Anonymous User
The definition of ‘live’ (i.e. not recorded) that you are using is not the definition of ‘live’ (i.e. currently being broadcast) used in TV Licensing parlance, and this is made crystal clear by my posting three above this one, which presents a specific contradiction to what you assert, taken from the information in the link that you yourself gave.
It is not often that incorrect advice on here can expose someone to a hefty fine, or even a jail sentence, but this can.
So you owe it to your fellow NowTV users to go back, carefully reread everything in the document you linked to as if it was a love letter, and come back with a revised opinion.
@Anonymous User wrote:If it's easy to get NowTV on your TV then they still will (for example, if it's built in). They won't care that you don't watch the live channels, they'll say you have the opportunity to watch them so you must pay. Once they are inside they'll try everything to get you to pay for a license and they will try and trip you up. If they see the option to watch live TV they'll choose it and if they can't work your TV they'll ask you to do it and if you refuse they'll threaten warrants, the police and courts along with rediculous costs as you are causing an obstruction.
The first guy who visited me said I needed a TV license because I had a TV ! They've since been again (with the police) but left unhappy because they couldn't get live TV to work.
Been watching videos about the goons on youtube. Saw one goon even plug in an aerial that was uplugged to try and get live TV.
Seems they are total scum and will do anything to con people into paying.
So it looks like once i've finally got rid of my aerial and satellite box to avoid the licence fee I will also have to cancel my NowTV subscription.
Considering the Live TV option in the Nowtv app is a waste of time as all programs are available on demand and ad free then I don't see why the option is there.
Either they should get rid of the Live tv option or give is the option to disable it.
@Anonymous User wrote:Considering the Live TV option in the Nowtv app is a waste of time as all programs are available on demand and ad free then I don't see why the option is there.
Either they should get rid of the Live tv option or give is the option to disable it.
From what I understand, 'live streaming' can't be removed from the NOW TV service. As it's a mandatory condition laid down by Ofcom - the regulator.
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